More Comp Cams crap

Straight from Comp techline this afternoon.....500#'s is acceptable, and they no longer make or sell the Hi Tech Stainless. In fact, he said they no longer offer a stainless rocker.

The Comp video on rockers, found on Comp's tech forum, puts the Ultra Pro Magnums (replaced the Pro Magnum) above the Comp Ultra Golds, and "rate" them good for .640 lift max, and 7000 RPM. No mention of spring pressure at all.

I guess one could say I exceeded both of those specs!

IF that is the case ... they have lost my rocker arm business.
I will now go to Crower Stainless Rockers if Comp Cams no longer makes the High Tech rocker arm.

He said that they were replaced by the Ultra Pro Magnum XD.
I specificly asked him if they were still stainless, he said no.

Having said that, I just don't trust the Comp Tech Line.

I talked with an "under the radar, insider", (for lack of a better term), at Comp Cams yesterday at length about a lot of stuff I had going-on and rocker arms were brought-up.
They still do make and offer the High-Tech rocker arms, KINDA.
They have changed the part numbers as they are now made from a forged moly-steel instead of billet stainless. They definitely are NOT the same as the Ultra Pro Magnum rockers.

Not direct competition with the CROWER's anymore, either.

And while on Power Tour, Comp Cams had a display set up.

They were advertising the Ultra Pro Magnum XD as a Stainless Steel rocker. I asked the guy there about this, he said they were stainless.
Do they even know their own products and what they are selling? 

He also acknoledged that he was hearing about alot of lifter bodiess cracking at the axle. However he did not offer any condolences or remedies what so ever! So much for caring companies. 
He simply asked me what lifter I was running now. When I answered Morel, he said "They have really came along way."

What ever happened to "What can we do to make it right?"

And as an update.....

I got my shims and mocked up everything. I called Manton and ordered a set of 7/16" x 3/8" tapered pushrods from them. I was very impressed with the guys there.
This allowed me to run a stiff pushrod w/o significant machinework to the heads.

I had to do some clearancing at the bottom of the pushrod tunnel as well as at the top near the intake side of the tube.

i did have to order longer stand bolts, as the included bolts only had .490" of thread engagement into the heads with .060 shims.
I managed to "pull" the threads in one rocker stud boss, so I had to helicoil the boss and used a 1" under head length bolt.

Took the car out to a points race last weekend, and found that I was rusty as heck.

The first time trail was a throw away. Basicly screwed up everything a guy could on that pass!
Second pass was better. I did miss the 1st to second shift by 250 rpm. Shifted at 8040 instead of 7800 like normal, and the car seemed to like it, so I turned up my shift light a 100 rpm and made a 3rd pass.
On that pass, I hit the 2nd - 3rd shift at 8030 rpm, but not the 1st to 2nd. (7800 like normal)  The car ran within .003 of the previous pass.

The air was bad and getting worse, so for eliminations, I left it where it was.
1st round, I managed to hit the shifts on the money, but I didn't turn the shift light up high enough. Shifted at 7850 both shifts.
However, I slept at the line ( ) and I drew a heavy hitter who is always awake. I dialed the car tight from the previous 2 passes and had to stretch it's legs to try and stay ahead, but he drove around me in the last 20 feet, plus I broke out by .030.
As I entered the water, the weather station predicted I would pick up .020, but it was too late to change the dial by then. If I had cut a better light, I might have been out far enough and had enough lead to dump and break him out.
Basicly, you can't win races with a .097 light! 

So...with some test and tune time, I hope to find out just where it likes to shift at now that the valve train is nice and stable.

looks good

How do you like those shafts?

Jeff, I like them for what they are. They are a nice piece, no doubt.

The hardware was ARP.

The only down sides I seen was that the supplied stand bolts should be 1" instead of 3/4", and it would be nice if they came with shims.

They were fun  setting up as I used a longer valve then they were originally designed with, but I was able to get a nice sweep. The offsets were right on the money.

Shelton was a little hard to get ahold of at first, but when I needed longer bolts or had a couple of questions, I figured out that if I called and left a message, he always got back to me by 11 AM the next day.

Keep in mind that these are still an aluminum body rocker w/o pressure fed bearings, just like the Jesel Sportsman Series. In my mind they are right up there with the Jesel's.

If your running over 750 - 800 lbs of spring pressure, the Pro Series steel Jesel rocker is the ONLY rocker to use.

I only have 5 passes on them and still need to (or want to) recheck the lash, but my gut says checking lash every 10 to 15 passes is a thing of the past. And setting lash seems to be a bit easier now.

Yes, I am happy and like them. And having a shorter & stiffer pushrod is a plus. BTW, the pushrod came in around .400 +/- shorter.

Nice shafts! Ugly headers! Lol 

Just messing with ya bud!

Nice shafts! Ugly headers! Lol 

Just messing with ya bud!

They be real ugly when trying to check or change plugs between rounds!

My pushrods ended up shorter as well.

Glad that you seem to have gotten everything under control! It really Sucks when parts/pieces fail.

FWIW, I have nothing to say but good comments about the Jesel SS series shafts on the current combo. I changed the valve springs the other month and they're a breeze to work with, I inspected each of them and they're in great shape (knock on wood!!)  and a quality product.

On the Cleveland combo's I've ran in the past I always had good results with the Crane Gold rockers before they closed/then reopened. I also have used the Harland Sharps with no issues.....but I know KidV hates the Harlands....

Just throwing my real world 2 centz out there.....
Happy that your back-up and running again!

Tater

Glad that you seem to have gotten everything under control! It really Sucks when parts/pieces fail.

FWIW, I have nothing to say but good comments about the Jesel SS series shafts on the current combo. I changed the valve springs the other month and they're a breeze to work with, I inspected each of them and they're in great shape (knock on wood!!)  and a quality product.

On the Cleveland combo's I've ran in the past I always had good results with the Crane Gold rockers before they closed/then reopened. I also have used the Harland Sharps with no issues.....but I know KidV hates the Harlands....

Just throwing my real world 2 centz out there.....
Happy that your back-up and running again!

Tater

Tater, I am glad its running too. 5 weeks on my keester was boring, lol.
And it didn't help my driving skills none, either!

If Jesel would have offered a shaft setup for the Canfield's, I would have seriously considered them, but so far, the LGM rockers are working out real nice.

Having a little more usable RPM, and having the engine rev cleaner through the upper RPM range is a plus, but I need some T&T time to find the best shift point now.

Racing doesn't allow much time for changes, so I will stay with the old shift points or sneak them up a little and see what it likes!

Your up and running....that rocks!

Tater